Nivedita: hi everyone, thanks for joining us!
Nivedita: happy peace day!
mahsataheran: Happy Peace dayt
mahsataheran: day
Nivedita: :0
Nivedita: :)
mahsataheran: I hope more people join
Nivedita: yes- me too, many rsvp'd!
Nivedita: how are you all planning on celebrating peace day?
mahsataheran: unfortunately I don't think there 's an event in Iran
mahsataheran: no peace and no respect for peace
mahsataheran: we just talked about the possible war in near future
Merybell: happy peace day!
Nivedita: happy peace day merybell!
AndreaPlant: happy peace day everyone! :)
KelliKorducki: Hello!
senahussain: hi! :)
Merybell: thanks Niv!
mahsataheran: Hello!
Nivedita: so mahsa was telling us about "peace" in Iran :)
Nivedita: or the lack of?
AndreaPlant: ?
mahsataheran: lack of
mahsataheran: exactly
Nivedita: so mahsa, how would you like to change that??
mahsataheran: In my opinion, this is a very global issue
senahussain: how so?
mahsataheran: this is a problem of the system we live in
mahsataheran: that needs the war to continue
senahussain: yes, i agree
Merybell: me too
senahussain: mostly it's about money
mahsataheran: so as long as we do not criticize the whole system
Nivedita: do you guys think international peace is possible though?
Merybell: mmmmahsataheran: we can have short term influences to reduce the pain
JanaDePoorter: I don't know, as long as we have the financial system we have today it's really difficult
Merybell: It sounds a little bit utopic to me, but yes, why not
AndreaPlant: yeahh if everyone believes it can happen and puts thier two cents into it then yeah i guess it could happen, but it would take EVERYONE.
Merybell: I agree with AndreaPlant
AndreaPlant: :)
Nivedita: i think international peace takes a lot of trust
mahsataheran: there is nothing wrong with being utopic
mahsataheran: though as I said I believe we can have short term influences in reducing the pain
JanaDePoorter: trust, respect and a huge change of mind!
Merybell: It's all about being willing to take action
Nivedita: we have to trust eachother and put our guards down and say "I will not mess with you" :)
mahsataheran: and we can educate people as well
KelliKorducki: how do you propose we do that, Mahsa?
mahsataheran: education you mean?
KelliKorducki: yrd
KelliKorducki: yes
KelliKorducki: :)
senahussain: a lot of it is about a giant power imbalance too, and scarcity and unfair distribution of resources
mahsataheran: I can give an example of what we do
mahsataheran: here
mahsataheran: we had a relativey big project called starpeace
senahussain: think about how much food is thrown out in the West, enough to feed another country at least
mahsataheran: the team used to organize star parties near the borders
Nivedita: what do you mean by star parties?
senahussain: what's a star party?
mahsataheran: and invite the people of different countries near that border
Merybell: oh, that sounds interesting
mahsataheran: just watching the skies with the telescope
Merybell: so what happened?
senahussain: cool!
Nivedita: oh that sounds nice!
mahsataheran: to show them we ive under the same sky
Merybell: wow!
mahsataheran: and there is no border between us
KelliKorducki: that's a beautiful idea
AndreaPlant: that sounds so awesome :)
senahussain: :)
mahsataheran: cause nationalism is what the powers use to create the wars
senahussain: yes
Nivedita: i guess that will also remind us of how "small" we are in the vastness of space- there's no point in fighting
senahussain: and imperialism
mahsataheran: yes
mahsataheran: exactly
mahsataheran: it was a very successful project
Nivedita: btw, totally random, but I'm getting myself in the peaceful mood/..anyone like cat stevens?
mahsataheran: and stil continues
Merybell: haha lol
whispering to mahsataheran: Peace Train!
nmburyk: Peace Train!
senahussain: lol
AndreaPlant: lol niice
Nivedita: YES!!
mahsataheran: lol
Nivedita:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sjSHazjrWg
Nivedita: if anyone wants to jump on the peace train :)
Nivedita: but mahsa, i think that is a great initiative- star parties
Merybell: this classical composer I like, Scriabin, he wanted to compose a world symphony, so that people from every nation could gather
Merybell: round in peace
KelliKorducki: was it successful?
Nivedita: wow, and what happened with that, merybell- did he do it?
Merybell: He didn't manage, but just by trying I think he did something
Nivedita: that's true!
mahsataheran: yes
senahussain: have you guys heard the song 'bomb the world' by michael franti? it's also about peace (even though the title suggests otherwise)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VILqFtrzBxA
AndreaPlant: for sure
Nivedita: i think music is a great way to unite cultures and people
mahsataheran: agree
nmburyk: On the subject of internation music, here is a neat compelation of international perfomers singing Stand By Me
KelliKorducki: agreed!
AndreaPlant: yeahh cause everyone listens to music
Merybell: I agree with you Niv
nmburyk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-TVg40ExM
Nivedita: i LOVE that video
Nivedita: it's so touching- stand by me :)
Merybell: I'm listening to Michael Franti, I like this song thank you so much
AndreaPlant: this guys awesome lol
mahsataheran: awesome video
nmburyk: Here is a short video that I think perfectly shows how universal music really is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne6tB2KiZuk
Nivedita: anyone else want to share how they are helping bring peace- today or everyday?
JanaDePoorter: Lots of people think that it isn't usefull to try to bring peace to the world because there aren't enough people who want to bring change to the world, funny!
nmburyk: preformed by Booby Mcferrin, the peaceful genius of "Don't Worry, Be Happy".
senahussain: where are you all logging in from? i'm in toronto!
AndreaPlant: omg me too! :)
mahsataheran: Tehran
Merybell: Is it a total cliché, if I tell everyone to listen to Beethoven's 9th symphony today lol
senahussain: nope!
nmburyk: haha, Beethoven is no cliche.
nmburyk: I am also in Toronto.
Merybell: So, there is little done here in a day like this, I'm sorry to say
Merybell: Well, this weekend people from all over the country will gather to clean beaches
KelliKorducki: That's great!
JanaDePoorter: I helped making an online-game for Belgian youngsters where they can learn about the MDG's
Merybell: It's kinda of related to peace, I think
senahussain: yes, it definitely is
KelliKorducki: That's certainly related to helping community, which promotes peace
KelliKorducki: Good work, Jana!
KelliKorducki: very cool
senahussain: what is the game called jana?
Merybell: yes, that's awesome Jana
JanaDePoorter: Trek je plan in Dutch
KelliKorducki: cool! is there a link to it?
Merybell: what does Trek je plan mean?
JanaDePoorter: www.trekjeplan.be
JanaDePoorter: I don't quite know how to translate it... something like do something with it
KelliKorducki: Cool. I don't understand a word of it, but it looks neat :)
Merybell: I'm in the page
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Merybell: lol I don't speak dutch either
Merybell: but I see there is something about the new millenium's objectives
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JanaDePoorter: You have to improve your 'village' in Benin, West-Afrika by making and 'buying' plans to do so
Merybell: in the game?
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JanaDePoorter: yes
Merybell: wow
senahussain: what do people think about attending anti-war marches and rallies? mahsataheran, do any happen in tehran?
Merybell: do you think I can play, even though I don't get a thing
mahsataheran: we used to do some marches
senahussain: and then?
mahsataheran: we did a great one for the 33 day war of Israel few years ago
JanaDePoorter: you can try Merybell :) to teach them about developement coöperation
Merybell: I prefer attending Peace marches instead of anti-war, I know it's the same thing
senahussain: ah, when they bombed gaza?
mahsataheran: but there is no freedom of speech and marching is not usualy possible
mahsataheran: yes
mahsataheran: many of those students, around 50, who were in that march later went to jail for their activism
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AndreaPlant: reaslly
AndreaPlant: **really
nmburyk: If you do not gather in public, do you gather in private?
mahsataheran: yes
mahsataheran: we meet in the houses and discuss
senahussain: how do you mobilize ?
senahussain: ah
mahsataheran: or in cafes
Merybell: do you feel safe, when you gather
mahsataheran: It's very difficult now to mobilize
Merybell: ?
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nmburyk: Is it mostly young people?
mahsataheran: since the last election
senahussain: yes
mahsataheran: not all are young
mahsataheran: we have mentors
senahussain: i saw some of it on the news
mahsataheran: people who fighted for the revolution
senahussain: ah
mahsataheran: there were many socialists
senahussain: and what is the benefit of having mentors?
mahsataheran: they teach you what you can't learn anywhere in Iran
mahsataheran: they have experienced one revolution
mahsataheran: and oppressions after revolution
senahussain: and they make another one seem possible?
mahsataheran: the ideas vary
mahsataheran: not in short term
Nivedita:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztE-z0ooXd4
senahussain: how big is the socialist movement there?
Nivedita: this was the video clip of people singing on their rooftops at night in Iran
mahsataheran: it used to be very popular
Nivedita: in protest of the government- I think it's so beautiful
mahsataheran: but after revolution severa thousands of them were executed by the new regime
Nivedita: This woman is saying; "take our phones, our internet, all our communication away, but we are showing that by saying "allaho akbar" we can find each other." She ends it? my saying that tonight they are crying out to god for help.
senahussain: how many young people are into it?
AndreaPlant: it's sort of eerie
KelliKorducki: that's incredibly powerful
mahsataheran: and others ran away to Europe
mahsataheran: now it's been growing agin since 9 years ago
senahussain: so people are afraid to be socialist then, because they still remember that?
Merybell: wow.. love the video
mahsataheran: mostly students and young people are into it
senahussain: i see
JanaDePoorter: the problem is that people are only aware of their own situation and problems, and close their eyes for those of someone else
Merybell: it kind of makes me wanna cry
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Nivedita: oh i'm sorry! i didn't mean to make you feel like crying
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Merybell: haha nono
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Merybell: it's okay, I'm mean it sounds like pleading cries, kind of the ones in Haiti when the Earthquake
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senahussain: mahsataheran how is connecting to the internet there? do they watch your online activities?
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mahsataheran: the speed is very slow and most of the networks and sites are blocked
senahussain: taking it global is not blocked though
mahsataheran: they watch those people who are active
senahussain: ah, so do you try and keep your activitiy level down then?
mahsataheran: when they arrested my boyfriend 4 years ago, he said they had 6 months of our conversations on phone
mahsataheran: no
mahsataheran: I'm not conservative
senahussain: you're not afraid?
AndreaPlant: what was the penalty for him?
mahsataheran: I try to be careful
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mahsataheran: I'm not afraid
senahussain: good, i am glad you talk to mentors
mahsataheran: more than half of my friends have been in jail
senahussain: we can all learn from thart
mahsataheran: I guess I'm not afraid
senahussain: how long do they usually stay?
mahsataheran: and well my parents were both activists
Merybell: how does the penal sistem work?
mahsataheran: they stay long
mahsataheran: since the election it's been much worse
senahussain: they've been watching more?
mahsataheran: 9 months till the court and they get 6-10 years
mahsataheran: for activism
AndreaPlant: wow
senahussain: it's their way of keeping people from revolting
KelliKorducki: that's horrible
Merybell: do you think that maybe some international organization can intercede, so that it assuages the problem..
mahsataheran: it's horrible
JanaDePoorter: wow
mahsataheran: I don't think so
Merybell: why not?
Nivedita: it's so wierd because we're completely controlled by the media (i think) in the sense that what they tell us- we react
mahsataheran: no international organization can meddle with a national government by law
Nivedita: but there are atrocities that go unnoticed every day
senahussain: yes, i think it must come from the people within the state
mahsataheran: definitely
Nivedita: but instead of reacting after thse happen, how do we stop it from happening ?
mahsataheran: you see after so many years in Afghanistan and Iraq
Nivedita: let's be proactive :)
senahussain: yes
mahsataheran: there is still a chaos
Merybell: I know, but still some international consuetudinary laws can abide...
JanaDePoorter: yes, media are incredibly imortant: they can deside what we think and what we do
mahsataheran: I'm not an expert :p
senahussain: and because there are financial interests like oil and opium for the US
KelliKorducki: but media is highly influenced by the state
mahsataheran: more than oil and opium
mahsataheran: it's the expansion of market
JanaDePoorter: Yes, media and politics have to be separated I think
mahsataheran: you destroy somewhere
mahsataheran: to create a market to develop it again
senahussain: mahsataheran, what keeps you motivated to keep working for change?
mahsataheran: a war after the financial crisis is an aid for market
senahussain: agreed
mahsataheran: I can't see people in pain
mahsataheran: that's the main motivation
Merybell: Actually, I have been studying the relation between media and politics, for my country at least, and the smoke screens used by politicians are great
JanaDePoorter: what are smoke screens?
senahussain: yes, it's always important to dig deeper
senahussain: lies
JanaDePoorter: ah, ok
Merybell: Smoke screens are tools used to deviate the attention on some issue to another
Merybell: for ej. Nixon and the Watergate case.
mahsataheran: media are biased
senahussain: yes, or the war on terror
mahsataheran: they have an agenda
Merybell: ( I'm being to theorical, lol, because I'm doing a communications mayor)
Merybell: so for example, do you hear what's happening in Nigeria?
AndreaPlant: what's happening in nigeria?
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Merybell: No, because, the international media has set is focus on the US news
Nivedita: do you mean the religious fighting in nigeria?
Merybell: yes.
Merybell: but it was an example
mahsataheran: right Merybell
JanaDePoorter: I read an interesting book about media and journalism: People like us by Joris luyendijk
mahsataheran: there are not many independent media to follow
JanaDePoorter: that's a huge problem
Merybell: My point here is that we must not permit that media manipulates us.
senahussain: democracynow.com is a good one
Merybell: jana I will look for the book sounds interesting
JanaDePoorter: yes, it is
JanaDePoorter: it's about the way media manipulates us
mahsataheran: thanks Sena
senahussain: why do you think governments try to control the media?
JanaDePoorter: because that gives power: you decide what's on the mind of a whole population
mahsataheran: yes
Merybell: Basically, like Umberto Eco said in "La guerrila Semiológica", if someone controls the media they control a nation.
AndreaPlant: to make themselves look better and so they can hide all the bad things they're doing becasue if they're not on the news no one knows about it
Nivedita: so should media be privatized??
Nivedita: like to the extreme?
mahsataheran: and you can find out where the budget comes from
Merybell: nono
senahussain: it should come from the people
Nivedita: :)
JanaDePoorter: yes
Nivedita: from on the ground journalists i agree
senahussain: not run by entities that influence it one way or the other
Merybell: In my country, media is privatized and that same thing happens,
mahsataheran: even when it's privatized those who have money control it
Merybell: exactly
JanaDePoorter: yes
senahussain: yes
Merybell: !
senahussain: in US and Canada too
Nivedita: i mean, i think it's impossible for anyone to be unbiased but that's why people should be the ones spreading news b/c )hopefully) they won't have a hidden agenda
Merybell: that's what happens in my country mahsataheran
JanaDePoorter: there have to be mechanisms to make sure media are independent
senahussain: where are you logging in from merybell?
Nivedita: and let's all remember- businesses are easily bought by govs ! :)
JanaDePoorter: indeed
mahsataheran: I guess these all tell us that the main change should happen within the people
senahussain: yes
mahsataheran: and how they are educated and look at the world around them
JanaDePoorter: yes, education is sooo important
senahussain: and like you mentioned having mentors
senahussain: so that things aren't forgotton from previous generations
senahussain: especially when the state is trying to erase your history
mahsataheran: yes, even we are under this much of oppression those mentors helped young people like me learn
JanaDePoorter: yes, like in 1894 of George Orwell
mahsataheran: definitely
AndreaPlant: best book ever!!
senahussain: yes, like 1984 :)
Merybell: jana can you tell me the name of the book again
JanaDePoorter: 1984 or people like us?
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Merybell: the first one you mentioned before, a while ago
Merybell: sorry I left for a few min
senahussain: people like us
JanaDePoorter: People like us by Joris Luyendijk
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Merybell: thanks
nmburyk: Mahsataheran, your story is inspiring. I hope that one day you will be a mentor for the youth.
Merybell: I think so too.
mahsataheran: thanks
mahsataheran: I hope to be
senahussain: and i hope your people can find a way to mobilize
mahsataheran: they will
mahsataheran: :)
senahussain: and that no foreign bodies (like the US) try to invade..
Merybell: I know a story a little similar to Mahsataheran, maybe someday I will share it
mahsataheran: yes sena
Nivedita: can you share it now? or do you not want to?
mahsataheran: I hope there is no war in future
mahsataheran: I forgot to say that today , September 21st, was the day our last war started
Merybell: Oh, yes, that is very important, the revolution should be national...
mahsataheran: with Iraq
mahsataheran: which killed many
senahussain: hm, how ironic
KelliKorducki: oh wow.
mahsataheran: yes, ironic
mahsataheran: I was born during the war
senahussain: have you read persepolis?
mahsataheran: I watched the movie
senahussain: did you like it?
mahsataheran: somehow yes
Merybell: isn't that like a white and black movie
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KelliKorducki: yes, it's a cartoon
senahussain: yes
Merybell: They showed it in last year's film festival
mahsataheran: it's a back and white cartoon
senahussain: it came from an graphic novel
mahsataheran: some parts were very close to my life
Merybell: oh...
senahussain: yes
mahsataheran: like his uncle
nmburyk: would you recomened it to a North American reader?
nmburyk: /viewer?
senahussain: her parents are activists too!
senahussain: yes definitely niall
mahsataheran: yes nial
nmburyk: I will most definitly read it. I am a big fan of graphic novels.
Nivedita: i just watched the trailor
AndreaPlant: what;s it called again?
nmburyk: I also wish to know more about Iran.
senahussain: you should ask laura about it niall
Nivedita: it looks so cool!
Nivedita:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PXHeKuBzPY
Merybell: persopolis
nmburyk: cool. will do.
Merybell: I think
Nivedita: that's the trailer
KelliKorducki: Another great book is Reading Lolita in Tehran
Nivedita: it looks very cool
senahussain: is there anything you didn't like about it mahsataheran?
mahsataheran: hmmm
mahsataheran: I guess it used to show just a class of people
senahussain: yes
senahussain: middle class
mahsataheran: many of the socialists were workers
mahsataheran: like my grandparents
senahussain: they were more liberal, her parents
mahsataheran: yes
KelliKorducki: interesting
senahussain: your grandparents were also socialist?
Merybell: there are loads of book with a similar theme...
mahsataheran: and the revolution was very much done by those from lower classes
Merybell: I can post them on my profile, so the people who are interested look for them
senahussain: yes, true, the middle class usually live a comfortable life
senahussain: thanks merybell!
KelliKorducki: great idea!
mahsataheran: thanks
Merybell: I will do it during this week
Merybell: did anyone read a thousand splendid suns
Merybell: ??
senahussain: no
Nivedita: i loved that book merybell
Merybell: !! me too.
Nivedita: khalid hussein
senahussain: what is it about?
mahsataheran: yes
Nivedita: is the author
mahsataheran: I did
AndreaPlant: isn';t that a prequel or sequel to the kite runner?
Nivedita: yes :)
Merybell: no.
senahussain: oh
Nivedita: haha
Nivedita: it's the same author but different perspecitves
Merybell: exactly
Nivedita: kite runner is a male perspective, thousand....is a females
Nivedita: and they are both SO powerful
AndreaPlant: okaay lol
senahussain: case of exploding mangoes is a good one, set in pakistan
Merybell: well, my father is from afghanistan, and he gifts me always with books like that
senahussain: and purple hibiscus, set in nigeria
Nivedita: merybell, have you read a bed or red roses?
Nivedita: or anyone :)
Nivedita: (that is also an amazing book sena
Merybell: no. but i will definetely buy it
Nivedita: she wrote another one too- sena
mahsataheran: Merybell where does your mother come from
senahussain: yeah
Merybell: she's dominican
Merybell: and my father is afghani
senahussain: how did they meet?
Merybell: hehe interesting story
mahsataheran: and do you speak Farsi?
Merybell: he used to work on a cinema, selling tickets
Merybell: my farsi is very bad
Merybell: so I just say khodahaffez
senahussain: urdu is kind of close to farsi? hehe
Merybell: and stuff like that lol
Merybell: urdi is Indian I think
senahussain: lol
mahsataheran: there are words that are similar
Merybell: dari and farsi and close enough
mahsataheran: but grammer is different
senahussain: urdu is a combination of farsi, sanskrit and hindi
Merybell: o really, I didn't know.
senahussain: :)
mahsataheran: yes
Merybell: I wish I could learn farsi though
mahsataheran: I guess if you try abit you can learn it
mahsataheran: it's not that difficult
Merybell: no, I know my father keeps saying that
senahussain: my friend speaks farsi and she can understand when i'm talking in urdu
Nivedita: well merybell, mahsa is our coordinator for multilingual's farsi platform...maybe she could help you :)
mahsataheran: yes:)
Merybell: haha lol
Merybell: you mean like teach me
mahsataheran: I'll be glad to help
senahussain: actually urdu developed because of war i think... hehe
Merybell: Because that would be great
Merybell: I can surprise my dad
senahussain: soldiers from different sides developed it to communicate with each other
mahsataheran: war of Iran and India?
mahsataheran: yes Merybell
senahussain: mughals
senahussain: afghanis
KelliKorducki: Conflict and invasion are actually the sources of many, many languages and cultures
mahsataheran: let's talk about it when we have time
mahsataheran: Merybell
Merybell: wow!! that would be great, maybe I can have your mail later
mahsataheran: yes
Merybell: thank you!
Nivedita: merybell, we'd be happy to provide you with access to the farsi translation tool- that would help....as long as you don't "change" translations (which i know you won't) :)
Merybell: haha... I'd love that..
Merybell: wow.
Nivedita: ok! i'm so glad you two can connect!!!
Merybell: Mahsataheran, I can share some recipes with you lol
mahsataheran: :)
Merybell: my father cooks
mahsataheran: yesssssssss. I love cooking
Nivedita: well guys, as we wrap up our peace party, i want to thank you so much for joining us and sharing your incredible stories
mahsataheran: thank you all
mahsataheran: I earn alot from TIG community
Merybell: thanks...
senahussain: yes! thank you all for joining us
AndreaPlant: thanks for sharing :)
Merybell: me too, and make new friends!
Nivedita: and of course, happy peace day....let's try to make it a peace year :D
mahsataheran: I meant learn:p
KelliKorducki: yes!
Merybell: definetely
senahussain: yes! and let me know if you have any good ideas for the online community!
mahsataheran: hope we have a peace year
senahussain: sena@takingitglobal.org
mahsataheran: and that we all stand for peace
KelliKorducki: Agreed
senahussain: yes!
AndreaPlant: :)
Merybell: there's this page goipeacefoundation
Merybell: they have a essay contest each year
Merybell: be sure to check it out!
Nivedita: COOL....who takes care of that?
mahsataheran: I wrote for this year's
senahussain: great! thanks merybell
Nivedita: ie. runs it?
Merybell: goi peace foundation/ unesco
mahsataheran: UNESCO
Merybell: you did!
Merybell: I wrote for the year before last... lol
mahsataheran: yes, though my essay was not that good to win
mahsataheran: but I tried
Merybell: haha lol
KelliKorducki: cool. the two of you have a lot in common!
Merybell: me too but they did send me a nice certification
Merybell: lol
mahsataheran: :) nice
senahussain: everyone who wants to continue to chat can stay on
Merybell: and a bumper sticker for our car
senahussain: the chat tool is up all day :)
mahsataheran: I should leave though, much work to do this evening
mahsataheran: again, thank you alll
Merybell: It was so nice to meet you all. :)
Merybell: Happy Peace Day!
senahussain: thanks for joining!
mahsataheran: good bye, have a nice day
senahussain: and answering my thousands of questions haha
mahsataheran: nice peace day
mahsataheran: :) It was good to see how others think
>>> viabee connected
KelliKorducki: yes indeed
>>> viabee disconnected
mahsataheran: Bye everyone
KelliKorducki: i've really enjoyed learning about your stories :)
mahsataheran: thanks Kelli
senahussain: bye everyone! take care! good luck with all your peace movements!!
Nivedita: bye everyone havea GREAT day and mahsa and merybell, let us know if you need anything!!
mahsataheran: thanks Niv
nmburyk: Gooood bye!
Merybell: lol, sure ...
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